TRC #269: Talking Calories w/ Stephan Guyenet + Money Game + 50 Shades of Twilight

smdIf you like well produced and thought provoking podcasts, then episode 269 of The Reality Check is the show for you! Pat leads things off with a fascinating interview with Stephan Guyenet where they discuss Gary Taubes’ model of good vs. bad calories and how the evidence for it stacks up compared to the calories in / calories out model. Elan then hosts a fun game of Science Fact or Science Fiction, with all questions of a monetary theme. Adam closes things out by answering the question of whether or not 50 Shades of Grey is Twilight Fan Fiction.

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Interview With Stephan Guyenet

Stephan Guyenet: Whole Health Source

Stephan Guyenet: TEDx Talk

Money Science Fact or Science Fiction

US Mint – Why do coins have ridges? – Why do coins have ridges?

Monopoly Wikipedia

Bureau of Engraving and Printing

Wikipedia – Large demonimations of US currency

Wisegeek – What are pieces of eight?

Wikipedia – Spanish Dollar

Wikipedia – Canadian quarter

CBC – Canadian poppy quarter triggered U.S. spy alert

Is Fifty Shades of Grey Twilight Fan Fiction?

The Lost History of Fifty Shades of Grey – GalleyCat

The origins of ’50 Shades of Grey’ go missing –



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12 Responses to TRC #269: Talking Calories w/ Stephan Guyenet + Money Game + 50 Shades of Twilight

  1. Cathriona Clarke says:

    Excellent show, I would recommend (and will) that everyone should listen to it! The mixture of an informative, well sourced interview, with a fun game and random facts was like a good meal, very satisfying. Keep up the great work!

  2. kem says:

    You might learn the difference between LCHF and paleo.

    The reason that “GCBC” got such traction is that it is a well researched history of how and why people get fat, not the biochemistry. The leptin (discovered in 1994) and insulin relationship to obesity is a rather chicken or egg argument. One could interview other obesity researchers and hear the other side.

    The Taubes/Attia research group (NUSI) is gearing up to proceed with human metabolic ward trials, never done before, to test the lipid hypothesis. As with most science, one needs patience as the evidence is bolstered or refuted.

    • Pat says:

      Thanks for the comment Kem.

      I don’t think anyone said LCHF and paleo were the same but, rather, we referenced paleo because a previous segment on the topic was met with a fair amount of listener comments pointing to Taubes’ work.

      As for the trials, yes of course, let us see what the results are. That said the ability of the trials to bolster or refute the hypothesis have seen criticism from some experts before even getting off the ground. Yoni Freedhoff in particular has written about them:

  3. Morden O'Hare says:

    I appreciated the follow up on Taubes book I think I was one of the listeners who commented about it on one of your previous podcasts. Thanks for the Stephan Guyenet interview the guy seems to know his stuff and his blogposts are fascinating and informative. Reading some of his posts and his responses to reader comments though it seems he also seems to have moderate support for a version of the ‘paleo’ diet and generally agree’s that reducing carbohydrates and sugar’s are the way to go. (I hope I am not verballing him.) As a lay person I find myself unable to criticize either for or against Taubes analysis of the science without feeling out of my depth. However having read Taubes book and observing reporting of diet studies for many years the overriding feeling I get which influences my diet choices is that diet and nutrition science is inherently uncertain. The reason is that it is impossible to do double blind control studies on tens of thousands of people for their entire lives to determine the best diet and the effects of certain types of diets. I think this is why studies tend to be a bit scattered in their results and analysis. Given all this uncertainty I would tend to think we should be eating food that more closely resembles the types of food we were used to historically speaking and avoiding or cutting back on the modern foods that afflict western societies with ‘western’ diseases (and not indigenous societies). In other words avoid sugar as sugar cane is a very recent diet choice and also cutting back on highly refined carbohydrates or ‘white stuff’. If you do that and eat other foods including fruit and vege in moderation I don’t think you could go too far wrong.

  4. DeeT says:

    Thanks as always for producing a great show. My favorite part about TRC podcast in general is the wonderful personalities of the hosts and the way they present the good information. Unfortunately the first half of this episode was a little tedious because most of the speaking was done by a guest whose presentation was very dry. The information was, of course, very good.

    About the prospect of “physical money” going away, that has already happened. The stuff we call money is actually currency, and there’s a big difference. Money has intrinsic value; currency is a relatively worthless note or token that can theoretically be exchanged for something of value. Economies based on real money are much more stable, and that’s why our funding fathers [spelling pun intended] required it in the U.S. Constitution. Going away from even using currency scares the heck out of me because you are then only as wealthy as some central computer says you are, and privacy becomes almost unattainable.

    One more fun comment about the outtakes: it’s not just a coincidence that 8 bits make a byte and 8 of the other kind of “bits” make a whole Spanish dollar. In both cases, it makes all the sense in the world to use a power of two. Digital computers use base two for everything, and people dividing money very naturally think in terms of halves, quarters, etc.

    Oh and a little joke along those lines and then I’ll end this very chatty comment. A pirate has a bird on his shoulder that keeps chanting, “Awwk! Pieces of seven! Pieces of seven! Awwk!”. When asked why the bird doesn’t says “Pieces of eight,” the pirate responds that it’s a “parroty error”.

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  6. Thanks for all of the very interesting and fun comments everyone! Pat definitely nailed it with securing that interview. DeeT, I like the “parroty” joke, though I’m pretty sure I’m the only TRC host who got it (which makes me feel great since most of the time I’m the guy asking for explanations for everything).

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